Remember the high top shoes that were once 'uncool' but are now all the rage? Yes, we go down that memory lane and reminisce about how those shoes played a pivotal role in our humble beginnings. From a memorable first date to the evolution of our relationship and our growth as individuals and as a couple, we share it all. We assure you, it's not all rosy; we missed a movie, had a taste of unemployment, and even played a puzzle while waiting. But hey, life's a rollercoaster, and all those turns and loops are what make our story worth sharing on the Love Lessons podcast. So buckle up and join us for this joyride, because we're about to get real!

In the latest episode of the Lovelessons podcast, hosts Zakk and Blaire Gammon take listeners on a joyride through their unique love story, filled with laughter, love, and valuable lessons. From the unconventional beginnings of their romance to navigating life's rollercoaster together, the Gammons' story is both entertaining and inspiring.

The episode begins with a look into their playful and humorous dynamic, providing a fresh and lighthearted perspective on serious topics.

The hosts then dive into a nostalgic journey down memory lane, focusing on the once 'uncool' chunky shoes that played a significant role in their relationship's inception. This reminiscence is not just about the shoes but also about their evolution as a couple and as individuals. Zakk and Blaire's candid discussion about their humble beginnings, memorable first date, and the subsequent growth of their relationship is both relatable and heartwarming.

However, their story is not all rosy. They candidly discuss experiencing challenges in their marriage journey. Their ability to maintain a humorous undertone while discussing these struggles is what makes their story truly engaging. It sends a strong message about the importance of laughter and resilience in the face of adversity.

Throughout the episode, Zakk and Blaire manage to keep the tone light and engaging, despite touching on serious topics. Their unique dynamic and honest storytelling make this episode a joyride worth embarking on. It serves as a reminder that life is indeed a rollercoaster, and all the twists and turns are what make our individual stories worth sharing.

To conclude, this episode of the Love Lessons podcast is a perfect blend of humor, love, nostalgia, and valuable life lessons. Whether you're a fan of unconventional love stories, enjoy humorous storytelling, or are looking for some serious reflections, this episode has something for everyone. Zakk and Blaire’s story is not just a testament to their resilience, but also an inspiration for anyone navigating life's rollercoaster.

Episode Transcript

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Zakk

Host

00:00

You ever listened to a podcast and wonder what is wrong with these people? Or is that just when you're listening to love lessons? Well, at any rate, today we wanna share our story. While we're so passionate about sharing hope and encouragement with other couples, and letting them know that there is hope for their relationship as well. We're gonna make fun of each other who knows what's gonna happen, but this is love lessons.

Announcer

Announcement

00:26

Real life. Real talk. Real relationships. Fate based tips, tricks, and challenges to improve your marriage and change your life. It's the Love Lessons podcast with your hosts. Christian counselors and marriage experts, Dr. Zakk and Blaire Gammon.

Zakk

Host

00:51

Hey there, Anne. Welcome to the Love lessons podcast. We're glad you're here. I am especially glad to be here because it's a miracle I'm alive.

Blaire

Host

01:02

Why?

Zakk

Host

01:03

You're gonna tell everybody what you did?

Blaire

Host

01:05

Okay. Is this about the picture?

Zakk

Host

01:07

Yes. It's about the picture.

Blaire

Host

01:09

Okay. So there's a photo. The Zach has now made his profile picture on his personal Facebook page. And it looks like you're already down below. Picture of me standing behind him. Mhmm. Holding a very large sharp pointy knife. Yeah. But your knife, if you will. You can

Zakk

Host

01:26

just talk right there. It tells everything you need

Blaire

Host

01:27

to know. No. No. No. No. It does not tell the whole story.

Zakk

Host

01:30

Mhmm. They say a picture's worth a worth a thousand words and I have plenty.

Blaire

Host

01:35

And Zach is taking the photo. Right? So, you know, if if you were fighting for your life at that point, you would think you wouldn't be like documenting it with a selfie, but you are taking a photo of yourself looking kind of fearful with me standing behind you with a blank face holding this very large knife.

Zakk

Host

01:53

Yeah. It's photographic evidence of how I'm treated.

Blaire

Host

01:57

No. It is a photographic evidence that you give everyone a hard time. You took that photo to send to somebody, to give them a hard time and tell them how horribly you're treated.

Zakk

Host

02:07

Really? And now the whole world knows.

Blaire

Host

02:09

It was a joke. And you were acting like death. You did did but did you die? Have you heard that? But did you die? You were still here today. Like, are

Zakk

Host

02:18

you Apparently escape with my

Blaire

Host

02:19

life. You had no marks on your body. There were no stab wounds

Zakk

Host

02:24

people have seen. Probably a stab on getting home just for bringing this up.

Blaire

Host

02:32

Do you feel a bit of rage talking about this?

Zakk

Host

02:34

Exactly.

Blaire

Host

02:35

Always the victim. Let me let me a narcissist.

Zakk

Host

02:40

Let's start with a woman. Let me tell you the most offensive thing about all of this.

Blaire

Host

02:45

Okay.

Zakk

Host

02:47

I posted this on Facebook. Mhmm. And not one single person seems concerned for my life. In fact, a majority of the comments said, what'd you do now, Zach? None of you people care about my safety and well-being.

Blaire

Host

03:03

And should you learn a lesson from this?

Zakk

Host

03:07

This is loveless. It's not Zac lessons. I have learned that.

Blaire

Host

03:12

Don't not know it. Should you not take and gather, you know, from this situation based on the comments that people are not sympathetic because they know that you deserve it. That you acted on

Zakk

Host

03:27

to be stabbed to death?

Blaire

Host

03:28

I didn't there was no stabbing. You hadn't live in your file. Threatening at best. Mild. Do we need to have, like, a funeral for you or something?

Zakk

Host

03:39

Like, you are gonna kill me.

Blaire

Host

03:41

What are what are you what are you asking here? What what what you're heartburned about?

Zakk

Host

03:45

I wanna stop feeling threatened in my own home. Yes. Our friend David Vogel.

Blaire

Host

03:51

Get rid of all the mask?

Zakk

Host

03:53

Our friend David Vogel. It's hard

Blaire

Host

03:54

to cut it on you with a spoon. But, okay. Do you really like that? Yes. It would. Yes.

Zakk

Host

04:02

Our friend, you're making my eye twitch. It's twitching right now.

Blaire

Host

04:05

Oh, you're making my eye twitch. Horses that knife.

Zakk

Host

04:10

Our friend David Fogle likes to walk up to random people and places and just whisper

Blaire

Host

04:16

I don't know. Save him.

Zakk

Host

04:17

I don't know. And if you knew his his wife, Kim, you would know that's the farthest thing from the truth. Right. She's one of the cutest people you'll ever

Blaire

Host

04:25

probably embarrassed when he says that. Oh,

Zakk

Host

04:27

yes. Yeah. Which I think is why he does it. To the point that he did that in a doctor's office one day, and they almost called the police and he had to convince him that it was a joke. I think it was a doctor's lawyer. It was somewhere that they were like mandated reporters.

Blaire

Host

04:40

Yeah. And this sounds exactly like something that would happened to us. Yeah. And the police would show up. They'd take me to jail. Again, we talked about jail three hotspot already, so I think I would be okay.

Zakk

Host

04:49

Right.

Blaire

Host

04:49

But then me, I wouldn't be mad when I got out.

Zakk

Host

04:52

And then you just come in stabbing.

Blaire

Host

04:53

And then And the cycle. You're single. Anyway okay. Yeah. See, you're a stab.

Zakk

Host

04:57

Statistics on repeat offenders. Like, once you go to jail, you're, like, isn't, like, eighty something percent likely? You're you're gonna work, yeah, it's a hundred and ten percent for you.

Blaire

Host

05:07

Okay. Okay. So I'm not gonna hurt you because I don't wanna go to jail.

Zakk

Host

05:12

Oh, wow. I would appreciate if you wouldn't hurt me because you love

Blaire

Host

05:15

do love you.

Zakk

Host

05:16

Rarely.

Blaire

Host

05:19

I feel like every episode of love lessons is just how Blair doesn't love Zach. Because the last episode we talked about how I don't love you because I won't match you.

Zakk

Host

05:27

Yeah. And now you're trying to kill you.

Blaire

Host

05:28

And now I'm trying to kill you. It's always

Zakk

Host

05:31

The people deserve to know the tree.

Blaire

Host

05:32

You're like the boy who cried wolf.

Zakk

Host

05:34

I'm like the boy who just wants some money to love.

Blaire

Host

05:38

It's a death sprint.

Zakk

Host

05:42

Speaking of, let me tell you what our daughter did last night. Last night, I I gotta pull up the message. I was ordering some dinner and, you know, DoorDash is one of my favorite apps. Greatest invention ever. Mhmm. And so at worst. I sent hay then our almost thirteen year old text because she's upstairs and she doesn't hang out with us school kids and say, hey, I'm ordering this. Do you want anything? And she said, no. Thanks. And so I said, I'm heartbroken. And her response was go to the hospital. I don't know if to tell you.

Blaire

Host

06:20

Say even she started your breath.

Zakk

Host

06:23

Talking to my own crap. You wanna hear a fun fact?

Blaire

Host

06:26

Dude, you have some that's fun.

Zakk

Host

06:28

I have a fun fact. Okay.

Blaire

Host

06:29

You can have about it.

Zakk

Host

06:31

So the part of the wedding ceremony where the wedding efficient asks if anyone has any objections is actually an evolution of a more violent tradition.

Blaire

Host

06:42

Okay.

Zakk

Host

06:43

This seems like it would fit you well. So

Blaire

Host

06:47

Here it's so rude. Go ahead.

Zakk

Host

06:49

In ancient times, during the wedding ceremony, the groom had to keep his sword hand free Not a strong hand, but a sore hand. It's totally inappropriate. Sorry. Yeah. To keep his sore hand free to to help thinned off other potential suitors because, you know, unless the the the vows have been spoken and the covenant's been sealed, she's still fair game.

Blaire

Host

07:15

They're gonna come still or from the hospital. Yeah. It's too bad.

Zakk

Host

07:18

And so thankfully, we're a little more civilized these days. And hopefully, nobody is bringing swords to a wedding. We hope. But Yeah. Slayer. Slayer still brings that your knives to the kitchen to stab her ass

Blaire

Host

07:32

they stay in the kitchen, they hang out there, where I cut onions and u, apparently.

Zakk

Host

07:38

And I cried when both of those things happen.

Blaire

Host

07:40

So I don't remember you having a sword or your hand being free the day that we got married.

Zakk

Host

07:46

No. Because We have evolved from that ancient Norbarian tradition.

Blaire

Host

07:51

I don't think you love me because you're not willing to fight for me.

Zakk

Host

07:54

I never set up.

Blaire

Host

07:55

You're not willing to kill a man for me.

Zakk

Host

07:56

I absolutely would.

Blaire

Host

07:58

Where's your sword?

Zakk

Host

07:58

I have a gun. I don't have swords. This is twenty twenty three, not seventeen twenty three.

Blaire

Host

08:03

You found a gun to a knife fight?

Zakk

Host

08:05

Yeah. And I'm gonna win.

Blaire

Host

08:06

You're gonna win. Hopefully, you don't run a bullet. Or you would do what I do with a chainsaw. Just throw it at him and run the other way.

Zakk

Host

08:13

That's our best way to win.

Blaire

Host

08:16

It's like you're jostling with paid people.

Zakk

Host

08:19

Anyway, I

Blaire

Host

08:20

would just like to point out, by the

Zakk

Host

08:22

way, you always complain about fun facts.

Blaire

Host

08:24

They do make me giggle, though.

Zakk

Host

08:26

So our friend Devin Ramsey, who we've known since high school and blessed her heart, she still likes us. Especially knowing it's from high school. She recently said on Facebook that she why don't I do Facebook? Facebook. It's not like Barack Obama. Now look, she recently said on Facebook that she loves fun facts and it's a great conversation starter her and her husband. So thank you, Devin, for being the only supporter around here of the fun fact.

Blaire

Host

08:53

Mhmm. Thanks, Devin.

Zakk

Host

08:56

Further proof that Blair doesn't let me.

Blaire

Host

08:58

But I do like Devon. You're you're okay. She's really cool.

Zakk

Host

09:03

This is why Zac doesn't get any love lessons.

Blaire

Host

09:10

You're just gonna keep up with this, aren't you?

Zakk

Host

09:11

I just can't help myself. Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

09:14

So speaking of high school, speaking of back in the day, Let's throw it back a little bit.

Zakk

Host

09:20

Till two thousand six when I could throw it back without fracturing hip.

Blaire

Host

09:24

Yeah. Oh, man. No. Actually, we wanna go a little further. Okay. Yeah. Back to two thousand and three.

Zakk

Host

09:29

Oh, did anything exciting happen then?

Blaire

Host

09:31

Yeah. That is when we met. Yeah.

Zakk

Host

09:33

Over twenty years ago.

Blaire

Host

09:34

Over twenty years ago. So I think it's time that we take people through our story. They've been listening to us long enough.

Zakk

Host

09:40

Hope they're ready.

Blaire

Host

09:41

They heard the professional side.

Zakk

Host

09:43

They're gonna need a professional after they

Blaire

Host

09:44

hear this. Probably will, but we're gonna we're gonna It's time. It's time to do the unveiling.

Zakk

Host

09:50

Let me let me set the stage.

Blaire

Host

09:52

Set the stage. Two thousand and three.

Zakk

Host

09:56

In a world in miss York's class. In journalism class, which should just stand right there. Everybody already knows. Mhmm. We had we had a journalism class where we put out a newspaper. I was the editor of the paper. Because, of course, that was.

Blaire

Host

10:14

That one's suppressed.

Zakk

Host

10:15

Blair was the worst article writer in history. It was so bad.

Blaire

Host

10:20

He still brings those up. He will see knows whether they're out on the Internet.

Zakk

Host

10:24

Yes. And they're still surviving twenty years later.

Blaire

Host

10:27

Well, you will once every couple of years

Zakk

Host

10:30

I'll read it to you.

Blaire

Host

10:31

He will walk into a room, say nothing, but just start reading this night or this article was about

Zakk

Host

10:36

Yes. That's great. That your writing was about as good in two thousand thirteen.

Blaire

Host

10:41

So there's nothing more shaming than than hearing your own writing.

Zakk

Host

10:45

You wouldn't Thirteen. You wouldn't be thirteen and it's We don't even thirteen yet.

Blaire

Host

10:49

We were still twelve at the time. We were both twelve. Yeah. October thirteen.

Zakk

Host

10:53

Yeah. Mhmm. So we met and this this little journalism glass. We didn't sign up for which got stuck in it. And

Blaire

Host

11:01

That's how Zach's career started.

Zakk

Host

11:03

Yeah.

Blaire

Host

11:03

And that's how where my career stopped? Right there. With mister Rogers Retires right there.

Zakk

Host

11:10

So so Blair wrote an article about our principal retiring, and it was the the single it is single handedly, the worst piece of journalism. I've ever seen in Belar. Anyway, so we met and you were the absolute worst. The worst.

Blaire

Host

11:30

No one believes you.

Zakk

Host

11:32

It's it's Not It's a lie.

Blaire

Host

11:34

Big and full of lies.

Zakk

Host

11:35

Is it a lie? Is it a lie that you were the

Blaire

Host

11:37

worst? I was not nice. I don't know that I was the worst, but Okay. That's very You

Zakk

Host

11:41

weren't the worst, but you were not the best.

Blaire

Host

11:43

So not to get too deep in the weeds here, but I had had a, you know, pretty traumatic childhood and we had just moved probably eight months prior to this to Kentucky from Tennessee. And so I was trying to figure out who I was who it was gonna be. And who I wanted to be friends with and all of that stuff. And so while you were just fine, it was it was all a me situation. And I was just trying to be likable and have friends and be like to not be ostracized like I was in my old hometown.

Zakk

Host

12:16

Mhmm. And so you made some friends or some mean girls?

Blaire

Host

12:19

Mhmm.

Zakk

Host

12:20

And you were mean to me. So I was not innocent here. I was a big old dork and I was just trying to get attention for anybody who would give it and you didn't like that.

Blaire

Host

12:28

You wore chunky shoes, which today are all the rage.

Zakk

Host

12:31

Why don't you explain what chunky shoes are?

Blaire

Host

12:33

We're big thick white I don't even know where they knew balance.

Zakk

Host

12:36

They were Nike's. They were hand me downs. Mhmm. And I had never had name brand anything before. And so they were I mean, the soles were, you know, like, what four inches thick on these suckers. Just Yeah. It is. All the kids wear them now and they're very cool. But I could never wear a pair of them. And so our friend Hannah from middle school and high school called them chunky shoes. And in fact, Hannah sent me a message and I thought maybe six months ago on Facebook, we haven't talked in several years. And in that message, she brought up junky shoes. And I was like, wow.

Blaire

Host

13:03

Thank you. Thing we know you for is having chunky shoes. Today, you would be in fashion though. Vintage chunky shoes.

Zakk

Host

15:49

And

Blaire

Host

15:49

so I invited you on a date.

Zakk

Host

15:51

Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

15:51

And you said, okay. Well, I have no money. I have no car. I cannot drive you. I have no license. And I said, well, don't worry. I do. Have all of those things.

Zakk

Host

15:59

No. Those were not good qualities.

Blaire

Host

16:02

But you were sixteen. If you had been twenty six, that would have been a lot different. If you

Zakk

Host

16:05

had been twenty six or I thought it would have been twenty six, it would have been illegal. But aside from that, Those are just not those are those are not qualities in a perspective, mate.

Blaire

Host

16:17

Today at thirty three, you do have a job. And you do have a car, and you do have a license.

Zakk

Host

16:21

I did.

Blaire

Host

16:21

So it did work out. Yeah. It worked out.

Zakk

Host

16:24

And the rest is history.

Blaire

Host

16:25

No. It's not.

Zakk

Host

16:26

It's not

Blaire

Host

16:26

so expensive.

Zakk

Host

16:26

More of it. Right.

Blaire

Host

16:28

So I picked you up. And we went to Bowling Green. I bought your chicken nuggets, and I took you to the movies. We played the Seduco puzzle, Seduco, Seduco, Chinese were no. It's not even worse. It's not worse. We played a puzzle while we waited for the movie to see Because

Zakk

Host

16:49

you were nervous.

Blaire

Host

16:49

I was so nervous.

Zakk

Host

16:50

With the boy who didn't have a car, a license, a job, or any hope. Any problems That's

Blaire

Host

16:55

what we were living all. Any promise of,

Zakk

Host

16:58

you know, anything. And

Blaire

Host

17:00

I was super nervous. And I was scared

Zakk

Host

17:03

to death during that movie because I don't like thrillers or horror movies. This was a it wasn't even horror movie. This was a thriller. Yeah. I was scared to death, and man, my seat the entire time, but I'm trying to play it cool because I want you to think, oh, cool. Meanwhile, you want me to think you're cool, and it was just neither of us.

Blaire

Host

17:16

Neither of us were cool. No. No. So I took you home Mhmm. Dropped you off, you get v kiss Mhmm.

Zakk

Host

17:21

And the rest is history.

Blaire

Host

17:22

Nope. The rest is not history.

Zakk

Host

17:24

No.

Blaire

Host

17:24

There's more. There's more. There's history. And so that was late in April, late April early May. It was a Saturday. One week later was prom.

Zakk

Host

17:35

And we both showed up to prom.

Blaire

Host

17:37

We both showed up to prom.

Zakk

Host

17:38

But not together.

Blaire

Host

17:39

But not together.

Zakk

Host

17:39

So I got back with the oil spill. Look. And

Blaire

Host

17:43

Very quickly, I might add after our date. You could find out later. I don't know this. Yeah. And and I was with the guy friend too. We had already decided to go to prom platonically together.

Zakk

Host

17:53

What I didn't share with you on the date is that I was broke because I had actually bought her prom dress. Mhmm. It was this Briarra prom dress, which conversely was also the color of your face when you saw her and I together at prom?

Blaire

Host

18:05

I was pissed.

Zakk

Host

18:07

You were enraged.

Blaire

Host

18:08

I was outraged.

Zakk

Host

18:09

Yeah.

Blaire

Host

18:10

If I had had

Zakk

Host

18:11

A chainsaw.

Blaire

Host

18:12

A chainsaw, you'd have been done for, dude. Yeah. And it was it was not a good time. No. So we got into it online after that. Mhmm. And we didn't talk any more the rest of the

Zakk

Host

18:22

summer. Mhmm. Yeah. I think, like, we started coming around when school started school started.

Blaire

Host

18:26

Yeah. School started. We kinda by that point, you were officially done with oil spill.

Zakk

Host

18:30

Yes.

Blaire

Host

18:30

And I think you dated a couple of other girls or summer. And so, like, you were back on the market ready to go. Right. And so you reached out to me. It was actually early.

Zakk

Host

18:39

I hope we don't get hate mail from her for calling her oil spill. If she finds this online?

Blaire

Host

18:43

She's probably not like that today.

Zakk

Host

18:45

Hopefully.

Blaire

Host

18:46

Hopefully. But I hope

Zakk

Host

18:47

she's not Back in it

Blaire

Host

18:48

was, but I also had my own oil spill. So it was You know, we were all messy. So we you reached out to me and said, hey, can I get her out to work? Mhmm. My car is in the shop. What I now know is that you didn't have a license.

Zakk

Host

19:04

Or a car?

Blaire

Host

19:05

Or a car. You were lying because you didn't wanna sound uncool.

Zakk

Host

19:07

Right. My dad was out of town or something. He was taking me to work. I had the car. I did have the car at that point. Mhmm. I think. But He had

Blaire

Host

19:16

no license to drive

Zakk

Host

19:17

the car. Of my permit. He wouldn't let me get my license till I turned seventeen.

Blaire

Host

19:20

Which month? The next day.

Zakk

Host

19:21

Right. Yes. And I did get my license by the way, that day. On my birthday. Mhmm. And so I made up a story telling Jimmy McCar was in the shop.

Blaire

Host

19:29

It was not in the shop. Mhmm.

Zakk

Host

19:31

It was

Blaire

Host

19:31

in the driveway. Mhmm.

Zakk

Host

19:33

And you took me to work. And I ended our trip with a kiss because I was at her kiss and everybody.

Blaire

Host

19:38

Yeah. And here I was going, okay, he's single. He's available. This is it. This is it. Brainbows and butterflies. And then nothing happened. Didn't hear from you again. It was very platonic. Like, at this point, it was like, I can't be doing all the work here.

Zakk

Host

19:53

Right. You

Blaire

Host

19:53

know, he just shows up in there's been a couple of kisses occasionally, but I'm I'm pulling the white ear.

Zakk

Host

19:58

Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

19:58

And so I said, nope. I'm gonna do this. And so I went on my own separate way,

Zakk

Host

20:01

and And the rest of history?

Blaire

Host

20:03

No. No history. No. So then ask a lens.

Zakk

Host

20:06

Yeah. And the rest of history.

Blaire

Host

20:08

No. It's so bad.

Zakk

Host

20:08

Okay. Okay. So we reconnected online. On Facebook this time. We took a step up from MySpace.

Blaire

Host

20:17

Yeah.

Zakk

Host

20:17

Right? And

Blaire

Host

20:18

Couple of years later.

Zakk

Host

20:19

We lived about four hours away from each other. So we decided we were gonna actually give this thing a go. And we engaged in a long distance relationship. Mhmm. Right? And like everything in our lives, we do nothing in moderation. No. So we went on vacation to Florida where I had already decided I was gonna propose. Now, there was some back and forth because I couldn't afford the ring because I was, you know, too poor to afford basic necessities, like electricity, but I somehow thought I was gonna buy an engagement ring.

Blaire

Host

20:49

Mind you, we've been together for about three and a half months at this point.

Zakk

Host

20:53

Right. We were very wise Mhmm. At nineteen. Yep. No. And so my great dad gives him this big long conversation unprompted by the way because we never told him we were considering getting married that all of his kids who got married in a a traditional church service had gotten divorced, but all of his kids that had gotten married at a courthouse were still married to that day. And so you know, there are a series of conversations later that evening. We basically ended up at the same point where we're like, hey. So you just wanna get married tomorrow over here. And in all of our nineteen year old Whisto, we were like, that's a great idea.

Blaire

Host

21:30

Fantastic. A surprise. Yeah. Yeah.

Zakk

Host

21:31

So then we called our family members. Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

21:35

That was a dumpster fire, a rebound with a train wreck.

Zakk

Host

21:38

With a conventional oil spill. Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

21:41

They were much to our surprise, very unhappy.

Zakk

Host

21:44

I couldn't imagine that.

Blaire

Host

21:45

We said, hey, we're gonna get married tomorrow if you wanna drop nine hours to be there, you can. Otherwise, we'll see when we get back from vacation.

Zakk

Host

21:51

Yeah. Yeah. And I still can remember being at nineteen and all of my wisdom being dumbfounded as to why they were.

Blaire

Host

21:59

Oh, yeah.

Zakk

Host

22:00

I hadn't even met a majority of your, like, your immediate family. It's not like we're talking about distant people. I'm like, I don't know the

Blaire

Host

22:06

You've never met my dad. No. You did. You met him when we were on the way to that vacation. Yeah. We stopped off.

Zakk

Host

22:11

I I talked to your mother twice, maybe.

Blaire

Host

22:14

Yeah. It was in.

Zakk

Host

22:15

Yeah. So they were all furious. For a good reason. We forged on the head Mhmm. And we got married the next day. Yeah. This is my favorite story to know. Mhmm. Let me let me just

Blaire

Host

22:27

Set the stage. Set the stage.

Zakk

Host

22:28

Set the stage. Set the stage to

Blaire

Host

22:29

March tenth of twenty ten.

Zakk

Host

22:31

So We had no money.

Blaire

Host

22:34

Right? We were too broke to pay attention.

Zakk

Host

22:36

You keep telling me right. Yep. So

Blaire

Host

22:39

I don't even know how the gas to get down to that vacation.

Zakk

Host

22:41

Sure that I overdrafted my bank account. Yeah.

Blaire

Host

22:44

So There were no rings.

Zakk

Host

22:48

Right. I'm trying to set the stage. Okay.

Blaire

Host

22:50

Let me let me set the stage. Okay.

Zakk

Host

22:53

There were no rings. So we go into we're in Milton, Florida outside of Pensacola in Santa Rosa County. So we go we go to the Santa Rosa County Court House to

Blaire

Host

23:11

Get a marriage license.

Zakk

Host

23:11

Get a marriage license to to to do the the process. Whatever the process is. I don't know. I've never been married before, so I was just, you know, I just knew that's where he started, and I was hoping they could fill in the blanks from there. So we we get there. There's a I don't know what's going on. I don't know if the president was in town or what was happening, but we were waiting to get into the courthouse forever. The line is forever long. And so it's you and me And then my grandmother and grandfather and Riley, our, you know, our our first baby, yours from She came from previous marriage or previous relationship rather. And we're trying to get in this line. We get in there. We finally discover what's taken so long. It's that all these people are having to walk through a metal detector, and then there's a security guard with the wand. Like, I think she thought she had too much power with that wand, wanding everybody. It was a whole ordeal. And so we have to try to get through security. And so, like, we're passing the baby back and forth. I have to take my belt off. My shoes off, my pants off. It was very awkward for everybody involved. And I didn't really take my hands off. But when we go to this line, she she wands and everything, we've we've passed pork belly around. She's a hot potato. We finally get through. And I'm like, hey, where do we go to get a marriage license? And she goes, oh, honey. You're in the wrong building for that. So then I thought about calling her a word that would have gotten me sent you attention. Or did to jail? Or did or did jail. She was I don't think she was a police officer. I think she was just a security officer. Okay.

Blaire

Host

24:39

And so I don't know if

Zakk

Host

24:40

she had arresting authority. Maybe I don't know what the rules are in Florida. Anyway, it's on the point. Maybe an alligator can arrest you in Florida. Anyway, so we we put our hands back on, and we get out the door. And we have to go to the courthouse annex, which is a mauled on the road. Where there is no security. You just walk in and it's just there.

Blaire

Host

24:59

The clerk's office. Yes. That's what it is there.

Zakk

Host

25:01

Could have walked in there.

Blaire

Host

25:02

Yeah. And probably did at some point. Did.

Zakk

Host

25:05

And so we go in and we walk up to the desk and there's this lady sitting there and then we're like, hey, we're in love and we're here to apply for a man to license. Mind you, we already knew what the rules were because since if you're an out of state resident, there was no weight. But if you're, like, in most states, if you get married in the state in which you reside, there's like a three to four day waiting period to make sure you're really gonna do it. Mhmm. Might have been smart in in Missouri or in in Florida, where if we were with the allocators. And so we the other really, we need a marriage, my friends. And the lady who did not care that we loved each other and did not look like she loved a single soul. Was, like, okay. Fine. So she had us fill out some paperwork. And so it's, like, nine thirty at this point. She said, great. Be back here at ten, and we're gonna get married. And we're like, oh, that's quick. We assumed my shit to go get the justice of the peace out of his chambers and help him put his robe on or something. I don't know what the the and his, like, his little Washington style wig that he worked. In my mind, that's what he looked like. And so we're like crap. No. We gotta go buy rings. So we have to go to Walmart because it's the only place that we could afford. No shame with Walmart rings. You're still wearing your Walmart ring

Blaire

Host

26:08

to the Well, till they had died.

Zakk

Host

26:09

That's right. Mine broke, unfortunately, because

Blaire

Host

26:12

You did till they had died.

Zakk

Host

26:15

Anyway, it's still somewhere at the at the house.

Blaire

Host

26:18

We've got it. Yeah. So we drive to Walmart.

Zakk

Host

26:22

We go in. We overdraft the checking account some more, and we buy some wedding rings. And then I have to fly back to the courthouse. Because mind you, Walmart, is over in Pensacola. Mhmm. Twenty five minutes away. No. I don't know how far away it was. It was far. Mhmm. But I had our thirty minute window to get to a store that was know, their impact was way more than thirty minutes. So I'm flying on the interstate, got my flashers on. It's a whole thing.

Blaire

Host

26:42

We were almost late to our own wedding.

Zakk

Host

26:44

We were people around us probably thought we're having some kind of emergency and the only emergency that I was trying to get back to the the alligator who was the justice of the base with his Washington installed Wagon. There's an oil spill nearby. And I

Blaire

Host

26:54

always let your rushing back so that we could go ahead and tie this thing down so that I wouldn't decide though. I don't wanna do it.

Zakk

Host

26:59

If that's what you wanna say, that's fine. So we get there. And we we walk in and we're like, okay. We're here. Where's the alligator with the wig? Let's get married. It there was no alligator and there was no wig, but it was just as obnoxious. And so this lady who again doesn't care if we liver die, asks us what our names are. And so she puts them on a sticky note. And Yeah. She has this she takes a Bible. And she opens it up and she puts this ticket out in there and I'm like, I guess she's going to give this to the justice face the alligator so that he can know what her names are. No. That does not happen. There's You know,

Blaire

Host

27:42

it was all the expensive.

Zakk

Host

27:43

There's still no That was a cop.

Blaire

Host

27:46

There's still out there.

Zakk

Host

27:47

This is the dumbest thing I've ever talked about. On the podcast. So she to walks us over to the opposite side of the room where where there's picture it.

Blaire

Host

28:00

Sizzling. Sizzling.

Zakk

Host

28:01

Nineteen twelve. There's a conference room table Mhmm. A fake tree. Mhmm. And the the there's a wall of glass that's like that ninety style privacy glass, like a little glass block. Mhmm. And she says, okay, turn and face each other. And we're like, oh, this is happening. I would have been less surprised. I was in the actual crocodile. And so she stands there and she starts her little spiel and she's reading off of the the she's reading out of this Bible, which I think there were notes already taped.

Blaire

Host

28:30

I think there was a script taped in front of it.

Zakk

Host

28:32

And so so she's like do you and then she stops and looks over at the sticky note. She goes, Zach, take and then she goes back to the sticky note player. To be your lawful headed blah blah blah. So she reads the stuff off the sticky notes. It's a wholeness. We're already trying not to laugh at the absurdity of what's happening right now.

Blaire

Host

28:48

We are shaking with emotion, but it is not

Zakk

Host

28:52

We're not like an aunt. No. We love. We're in Asterisk.

Blaire

Host

28:57

We're not overcome with love. We're overcome, like, trying not to laugh at the it's so proposter. Prepare prepress. Hospress. Yeah.

Zakk

Host

29:07

And so that's that's a big work. Good job. So in the middle of this, we when you think you can't get any more stupid, At some point, a guy walks in needing to fill out some type of I think it's some kind of assistance form, like public assistance form or something. I don't know what's going on. But at any rate, he sits down. And he doesn't sit down like the opposite end of this long table. He's like, between you and me or where this table that how close he was to us?

Blaire

Host

29:34

Like, our grandparents and bra your grandparents and brawley are there as the witnesses, And he sits down between them and us. Yes. He gets in the middle of the wedding party that we're having here, beside the plant.

Zakk

Host

29:45

Right. So

Blaire

Host

29:47

He he was more of a witness than they were

Zakk

Host

29:49

at his point. He was. And so we finished with the ceremony. I'm still not I'm honestly not sure if we weren't getting punk. We may not even be legally married at this point. And as we're walking away, from this, like, dumpster fire, I hear him saying to himself, no, that was beautiful.

Blaire

Host

30:09

Uh-huh.

Zakk

Host

30:09

There was nothing beautiful about that.

Blaire

Host

30:11

So we get to the end of this.

Zakk

Host

30:12

And the rest of history.

Blaire

Host

30:13

No. The rest of history at this point. Grandma had gotten a new phone earlier that day. Mhmm. And she was our photographer. Mhmm. We get outside, and we're wanting to look at the pictures. And we realized grandma realized that she had either not been taking them or had deleted them or There was user error and there were no photos of the actual ceremony itself. Right.

Zakk

Host

30:34

Further making me question, is this even real?

Blaire

Host

30:37

This even real. Was this a fever dream that

Zakk

Host

30:39

we had?

Blaire

Host

30:40

So we have one photo, and we'll put it up on YouTube. There you go. Of us outside of the courthouse today that we got married. The courthouse and x? Correct. Excuse me. Yes. Yeah. Correct. You're on self there. And after that, we it was at lunchtime. Mhmm.

Zakk

Host

30:55

We were

Blaire

Host

30:55

like, you know what? We're hungry. Go cross the parking lot to McDonald's and get some chicken nuggets. So we went and we got some chicken nuggets and got Bradley lunch.

Zakk

Host

31:03

Chicken nuggets are a recurring theme in our relationship.

Blaire

Host

31:05

Chicken nuggets, some journalism. Mhmm. Mhmm. In social media and journalism.

Zakk

Host

31:10

And the rest is

Blaire

Host

31:11

his They're written. Not quite.

Zakk

Host

31:13

Oh, there's more. Yeah.

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Zakk

Host

31:49

So we've shared some of the the funny and the silly, but I think that it's important that we share some of the serious Mhmm. Because it's really at the heart of why we do what we do.

Blaire

Host

31:58

Yeah. Right? So

Zakk

Host

32:02

early on in our marriage. We hadn't married very long. Our brains weren't fully developed. Mhmm. We we just made poor choices, and we just heard each other

Blaire

Host

32:10

Yeah.

Zakk

Host

32:10

Over and over again. And so that led to ultimately I was unfaithful. And the the relationship didn't last very long, but it it was and it shouldn't have happened. But after it ended, I was convinced that I wasn't going to share that with you. I was gonna carry it to the grave.

Blaire

Host

32:28

Yeah.

Zakk

Host

32:29

And that unfortunately just cause more distance in our relationship. Right? It cause more hurt and more pain. And the the more that I tried to stuff it down, the more that we just kept hurting each other. Mhmm. Right? Yeah. And so then we we moved shortly thereafter Mhmm. To Owensboro where we live now. And the herd just kind of continued.

Blaire

Host

32:49

Yeah. We we thought that we'd have a fresh start even though, you know, I didn't know everything. And But just to do that we have been running up against troubles, and so we we're at Owensboro, and troubles continued. Right? Because you might have a new place, but you saw the same people with the same issues. And we hadn't worked through those dysfunction and those those issues that we had. And so shortly after we moved to Owensboro, I started having an affair with someone and it was also short lived and I ended it and also said that I would never tell you. And so same situation we were in, that we both said we will never tell the other person. We will just start working on our relationship and we'll go to the grave with it. Yeah. And it was a couple of months after that had ended and had made that decision and I was at work one day. And I have never felt god so much in my life as I did that day.

Zakk

Host

33:43

Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

33:44

And it was the holy spirit and it was tell him tell him. And I immediately knew what I was supposed to tell and who I was supposed to tell. And it was you about the affair. Tell him. Tell him. Tell him. To the point where I couldn't do to work, it was consuming me. And I actually had texted you to ask like, hey, what are you doing? Because I was gonna just go home. Like, wherever you're at at work or whatever is, just go home. We need to talk about something. You were too wrapped up and couldn't, and so that's been the rest of the day. Just waiting to go home, like, dreading, I'm going to have to drop this bomb because I knew. I'm gonna tell him and he's going to leave me. And in that couple of months, we had done some healing work, and we had really kind of grown back together. Not completely, obviously, because we saw all these things, but we had started this journey of reconciliation. And so we weren't necessarily in a bad place.

Zakk

Host

34:36

Yeah.

Blaire

Host

34:37

And I knew that once I told you, we were gonna be in a bad place, and we were not gonna be together. Yeah. So I went home, and I told you, and you walked outside, you walked away. And I I just remember laying on my bedroom floor, solving, going like this is it. Mhmm. This is what I've done. And you walked back in And you told me, I have something I need to tell you. Yeah. And so then you also told me

Zakk

Host

35:12

Yeah.

Blaire

Host

35:13

What you had done. Yeah. And you were broken in that moment thinking that I was going to leave you. And Two wrongs do not make a right.

Zakk

Host

35:24

Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

35:25

But I believe that it certainly helped us in our healing journey. I'm not recommending that anyone go and do it. Yeah. But please know. But it helped us put it in perspective so well.

Zakk

Host

35:37

You know, I I'll loop back at that. And it's like, you know, people talk about having, like, an out body experience and and, you know, sometimes roll my eyes while I hear stuff like that. Like, I can almost picture us like sitting in that floor. Like, just both of us just weeping.

Blaire

Host

35:51

Been holding each other.

Zakk

Host

35:53

Yeah. And I don't know that we had ever been So just honest Yeah. With each other. And so it's Again, don't recommend it, but there was something so powerful because that was the catalyst for us. We in that moment, we had a decision to make.

Blaire

Host

36:13

We did.

Zakk

Host

36:14

We can leave and we can blow this whole thing up and we can tear our kids' lives apart. And we both had biblical reasoning to to leave the other person, frankly, or we can make this work. And thank God that we did it. But I can I can resetting their thinking, like, I I don't know how this is ever going to work?

Blaire

Host

36:38

How are we gonna get through this?

Zakk

Host

36:39

How are we gonna get through this? How are we gonna trust each other? How are we going to how do we how do we survive? Mhmm. And so we we had a friend at church that had really been pouring into us and and and he and his wife were Christian counselors and blessed their hearts. It was a Monday afternoon and, like, they were still probably working. They met, I had, like, small group or something at church. I don't know. But we were, like, psychocalling them. Oh, they were at their office. They were working in their same class. And we saw a go called both of them because, you know, our world was crashing down, and we thought that it was gonna be just as dramatic to them. And they came over to our house. And they were like, it's all gonna be okay.

Blaire

Host

37:23

I remember us pouring our hearts out to them and telling them everything that we had told each other Yeah. And I remember looking at him and I said, do you think we need counseling? And he said, yes.

Zakk

Host

37:35

Or right.

Blaire

Host

37:35

I I was like, oh, I guess we do. And, like, looking back on that now, knowing what I know. I'm like, you didn't know.

Zakk

Host

37:40

Right.

Blaire

Host

37:41

You've dated Camp Spirit. It's our

Zakk

Host

37:42

little

Blaire

Host

37:42

black teeth. Of course, you need counseling. They were

Zakk

Host

37:46

so they were so gracious.

Blaire

Host

37:48

They were.

Zakk

Host

37:50

And marriage counseling with them, you know, I I really do attribute that a lot of of what we experienced with them helped to save our relationship.

Blaire

Host

37:57

Absolutely.

Zakk

Host

37:58

Because they created the space for us where we, you know, we could work through these things. And so, you know, we don't well, we've said it before, but we don't just do this because we're passionate about it as professionals. We've lived it. We have been on the Marine Group divorce multiple times. I mean, that was, you know, the the worst of it. Mhmm. And thankfully none since then because we've, you know, learned how to communicate. But, you know, I mean, I've shared with you before that you know, there was a time during that season that, like, I'd already been researching the compartments that were for rent and considering what it would look like because I just I knew that that it was gonna come to an end. And so and that's a that is a hard place to be in.

Blaire

Host

38:38

Right. And through that, got birthed our ministry. That's what it is though we do and what he's called us to do.

Zakk

Host

38:46

Yeah.

Blaire

Host

38:46

And so when we counsel people, it's out of a place of education Certainly. Mhmm. But also understanding

Zakk

Host

38:53

Yeah. Compassion.

Blaire

Host

38:54

Compassion. Yeah. Know what it's like. And maybe it's not a fidelity in your relationship. Maybe it's just you know, communication issues or or just not understanding one another or not him grace or, you know, any number of things that, you know, we've walked a similar path and so we can have that compassion to understand, oh. Yeah. Oh, I know what they're going through. I

Zakk

Host

39:18

you've experienced this too, but when you have somebody who comes in who has been unfaithful or they just they yell at their spouse and treat them bad and they've just, you know, beat them down over the years or whatever it is. And these people, especially the ones who are just so broken and they're, you know, they they're so concerned that you're gonna think less of them because, you know, they've been unfaithful or they've struggled with pornography or whatever they've somehow hurt their spouse. And while I don't want them to do that anymore, it's also, like, listen, like, you don't. Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

39:46

Like, there's no judgment.

Zakk

Host

39:47

No. No. It's grace. Mhmm. Like, you screwed up.

Blaire

Host

39:50

Yeah. But there is hope. Absolutely.

Zakk

Host

39:53

I have I I I just there are very few situations that I've ever seen that I think are totally hopeless. Mhmm. And so it's it's why we do what we do.

Blaire

Host

40:04

Yeah. You know? And while we you know, our marriage is not perfect by any means. It's much better than it ever has been. It just continues to grow and evolve and get better and better even when you think it can't. But, you know, we still have the things that we struggle or miscommunicate or having bad days and we're stupid with one another. And so it's also a reminder of us of how far God's brought us.

Zakk

Host

40:23

Yeah. And

Blaire

Host

40:25

that our marriage is not just for us. Mhmm. It's also for other people.

Zakk

Host

40:30

And the hurt wasn't either.

Blaire

Host

40:31

Not for people to look up to us because gracious snow. Please don't. We can we might be able to teach you a couple of things, but please don't put us on a pedestal by any means. But what we've experienced is so that we can help other people through it.

Zakk

Host

40:44

Howard Bauchner: Yeah, and and we've told people it sounds crazy. And and if you've experienced in Fidelity, you know, recently within your relationship. It it sounds insane, but we can I can honestly look back and say, like, I'm thankful that that happened, not that we had to feel what we felt?

Blaire

Host

40:59

Right.

Zakk

Host

40:59

To a degree, but to some degree I am because it gives us the opportunity to pour into other people and to show love and grace. And so, you know, you should never go to a counselor who says, oh, I know exactly how you feel. But when somebody, especially a man is sitting on his and he's pouring his heart out and he's like, I've been unfaithful to my wife. And I'm I'm devastated, and I don't know what to do. And I can look at him and say, I get it. Like like, Yeah. I get it.

Blaire

Host

41:26

Yeah. So it's it's powerful stuff. Yeah. So we're thankful for God's done in our relationship

Zakk

Host

41:32

Yeah.

Blaire

Host

41:32

And how he uses that. Yeah. How Romans eight twenty eight. It's all for his glory even when it doesn't seem like it's good.

Zakk

Host

41:41

So what's something that you wish that you knew? If you could, go back Mhmm. To when we were stupid in in in Florida. Mhmm. If you well, if you knew then how do I say that phrase? If you knew

Blaire

Host

41:56

Now what near then what you know now. Yep.

Zakk

Host

42:01

Yeah. Am I? Mhmm. If you knew then what you know now Yes. Yes. I have I have three college degrees I can get through this. Mhmm. What would you what would you tell yourself?

Blaire

Host

42:12

You know, I think the biggest thing that I would tell myself is that it is my responsibility to find my own worth and value you and to feel good about myself.

Zakk

Host

42:25

Yeah.

Blaire

Host

42:26

It's not and ultimately finding that worth is in Jesus Christ is knowing that he finds it worthy and that he died on across all of those things. Because I can look back at a lot of the bad, poor decisions that I've made and can reroute it back to not knowing who I was

Zakk

Host

42:43

Yeah.

Blaire

Host

42:43

Not knowing what my identity was. Yeah. You know, I wanted to feel I felt bad about myself and I wanted to feel good. And so instead of going to God and saying, how did you make me? What is my identity in you when I'm feeling bad about particular thing about myself, I would go to other relationships, whether it was friends to bump me up or you in inappropriate ways or men other men. You know, like, I would use wrong things to make me feel good. Or I would get upset with you if you didn't make me feel good about myself and if I didn't feel good enough, it was it was your fault. You know, if I didn't look good in a dress, you could have told me six nights to Sunday that I was beautiful. But if I still felt bad on the inside and it was because you weren't doing a good enough job as a husband.

Zakk

Host

43:25

Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

43:25

When in reality, those were Blair's issues. That Blair had to work out, not blame on Zach. Mhmm. So I would say take responsibility for your own actions and know your value and worth and who gives you that.

Zakk

Host

43:37

Yeah. You

Blaire

Host

43:38

know? What about you? Well, what do you wish you knew?

Zakk

Host

43:45

I I wish that I could go back and tell myself it's gonna be okay. Mhmm. Similarly, you know, worth and value. That you don't have to be anybody else other than who you are. Mhmm.

Blaire

Host

44:01

Yeah.

Zakk

Host

44:01

Who God created you to be. Right? That that you were created this way for a purpose and that you do have purpose and potential that Blair's not your mother. Mhmm. That she can't rescue you, but that's that that there is hope. Yeah. So do you think If you knew that we would get married in the end, if you knew that we would that we would still end up being together, do you think that we should have waited to get married?

Blaire

Host

44:32

I've thought about this one. This is a hard one for me because I do believe that everything happens the way that it's happened and God's been able to work it out. You know, if he knew he knew at the beginning what the end would be.

Zakk

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44:42

Like, the degree of the universe knows. Yeah. So

Blaire

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44:49

we would not have went through as much heartache.

Zakk

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44:51

Mhmm.

Blaire

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44:52

If we had been older and more mature and wiser and had went through our own healing,

Zakk

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44:57

Yeah.

Blaire

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44:58

But I don't know that being older would have gotten us all of that. We should have been older and wiser and more mature, but would we have been?

Zakk

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45:07

Yeah.

Blaire

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45:08

Or is what we went through the catalyst that got us to be more mature and wiser and be more self aware. Yeah. I'm not sure that we ever whatever would have gotten there without some of these things happening.

Zakk

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45:19

Yeah.

Blaire

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45:20

So I can't really say

Zakk

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45:21

Yeah. And that's fair. I wish that I just think about these two kids who had been through so much hurt in in life, you know. We both had absentee parents. We both went through We've officially been together for fourteen years now. To borrow a phrase from a friend, I just say, you know, it's fourteen years, but some days it feels like fourteen minutes. Underwater.

Blaire

Host

47:51

With no scooby gift. With no scooby gift.

Zakk

Host

47:54

Thank you, George, friend, Charlie, who who gave us that praise. He's been made for twenty five years and he can get away with saying it just to Brandy's at twenty six Mhmm. Twenty six years and he can get away with saying it to Brandy. So I feel like I'm safe.

Blaire

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48:04

Yeah. So It's like after you hit that ten year mark, then you can you can say some of those. Right. Yeah. Right.

Zakk

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48:12

Love Notes is a portion of our show where we give you a small to help you improve your relationship. And today's is really easy. A simple thank you really can go a long way in your relationship. So it turns out that according to a study published in the journal personal relationships expressing gratitude to your spouse strengthen your relationship and reduces the risk of divorce. Not only does it make your partner feel valued, but it also fosters mutual respect and appreciation. So the encouragement today is, say thank you. Even in the small things, it really can go a long way.

Blaire

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48:49

Thank you for that love note. I really appreciate it.

Zakk

Host

48:54

I don't think they meant in that study case or fastic about it.

Blaire

Host

48:57

Oh, okay. Well, I really do appreciate it.

Zakk

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48:59

I've had it. I'm tired of this. I'm leaving.

Blaire

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49:03

Have you done?

Zakk

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49:03

I guess we'll see you next time if I don't get stabbed.

Blaire

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49:07

It's true.

Zakk

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49:09

It's been really fun being on stab lessons.

Blaire

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49:14

Start up. We'll see you guys next week.

Zakk

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49:18

People eat, bye.

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